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Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby MST-Aviation » 24 Jul 2017, 18:51

Dear MST-Aviation members,

To ensure continuation of providing our subscribers the latest and up to date flight information it has been decided that the Expected & Movements sections will be secured sections for authorized members only.

If you would like to obtain access to these pages you can request authorization.

See the Obtaining access to the Expected & Movements sections announcement for more information.

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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby Lakenees » 24 Jul 2017, 20:25

Seems a bit over the top? Why this decision?

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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby cargolouk » 24 Jul 2017, 21:26

Lakenees wrote:Seems a bit over the top? Why this decision?


Inderdaad,we zijn hier in Nederland hoe ver wil je nog gaan het is per slot van rekening een hobby!!
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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby xm717 » 24 Jul 2017, 22:01

To both reactions, looks like they must have had a good reason, no? To some, it is not a hobby.

MST-Aviation wrote:To ensure continuation of providing our subscribers the latest and up to date flight information

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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby Siem » 24 Jul 2017, 22:14

xm717 wrote:To both reactions, looks like they must have had a good reason, no? To some, it is not a hobby.

MST-Aviation wrote:To ensure continuation of providing our subscribers the latest and up to date flight information
Good reason or not. There is also a reason for not putting my real name as a username here, despite being a serious participant of this forum. I am sure their intents are good, but I am not willing to put any personal information on an internet forum for reasons of privacy. For that reason, I also think it is quite over the top what is being asked now.

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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby admin » 24 Jul 2017, 23:05

Korte uitleg om verder niet te ver in details te treden, mede het volgende heeft ons doen besluiten tot deze maatregelen:

O.a. tegenstanders van de luchthaven dan wel concurrentie maakt naar blijkt gebruik van onze informatie op het messageboard, dit is natuurlijk niet de bedoeling, als supporters van de luchthaven Maastricht e.o.

Wat betreft de registratie er zijn altijd uitzonderingen mogelijk, stuur ons een prive bericht, om te zien hoe we het voor jou kunnen oplossen.

Zo heel bijzonder is deze maatregel niet, vele andere luchtvaart forums/websites hanteren deze zelfde manier.

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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby Pieter » 25 Jul 2017, 01:01

Beste crew-leden,

Een duidelijke uitleg en zeer begrijpelijke beslissing.
De reden is duidelijk en ik zal niet verder hier op ingaan.
Ik zal een verzoek zoals gevraagd per mail indienen .
Succes verder met de site.

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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby Smoketrails » 25 Jul 2017, 09:41

Een wijze beslissing gezien de feit dat we allemaal het beste voor hebben met onze luchthaven! Ik persoonlijk kan mij hier helemaal in vinden en zal ook zo een mail uitsturen.

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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby koeniedb » 25 Jul 2017, 13:11

I don't want to upset any people but it is on the edge of legality concerning the WbP.
https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/n ... nsgegevens

As you are asking real names and want to store these with usernames you have to comply to regulations.

So questions are:
- How do you secure these userdetails (encrypted file, etc)
- Did you give a notice to the "Autoriteit persoonsgegevens" that you are going to store data
- Who is the legal entity that stores my data (Company, person)
- How long are you going to store the data

Please provide this information to people who want access otherwise saving the information might hurt you in the end.

Further in my (personal) opinion, i understand the purpose but the asking for data makes no sense as this information is also available on other platforms (Maa.nl, NOS.nl, etc) So the people who don't want MAA having all these flights will either way find info they need to keep bullying the province with noise complains.

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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby speedy » 25 Jul 2017, 13:38

Hello

Ik heb in het verleden genoeg verwachtingen op MST-aviation geplaatst en nu opeens zou ik me weer moeten ''bewijzen'' komaan zeg, heb wel wat beters te doen.

Ik zet ook andere verwachtingen op o.a Scramble , Luchtzak etc. wie garandeert mij nu dat dit hier niet zomaar wordt gekopieerd zonder enige bronvermelding?

Daarnaast wie info wil kan het altijd krijgen/vinden. Of het nu spotters zijn die met elkaar praten of geluidsklagers die nadat een kist over is gekomen even FR24 opzetten en screenshot maken. Misschien beter dat ze dit op voorhand zien? Kunnen ze even het huis uit om niet te moeten klagen ;)

Groetjes,

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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby cargolouk » 25 Jul 2017, 16:51

speedy wrote:Hello

Ik heb in het verleden genoeg verwachtingen op MST-aviation geplaatst en nu opeens zou ik me weer moeten ''bewijzen'' komaan zeg, heb wel wat beters te doen.

Ik zet ook andere verwachtingen op o.a Scramble , Luchtzak etc. wie garandeert mij nu dat dit hier niet zomaar wordt gekopieerd zonder enige bronvermelding?

Daarnaast wie info wil kan het altijd krijgen/vinden. Of het nu spotters zijn die met elkaar praten of geluidsklagers die nadat een kist over is gekomen even FR24 opzetten en screenshot maken. Misschien beter dat ze dit op voorhand zien? Kunnen ze even het huis uit om niet te moeten klagen ;)

Groetjes,


Mijn idee Speedy,
Het is een grote Mickey Mouse club zal me ook verder niet meer registreren bij deze club ben er helemaal klaar mee na al die jaren.
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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby MST-Aviation » 25 Jul 2017, 17:59

If you dont agree simply dont register. it is not an obligation. Thank you.

*PS : we all know nos & maa are far from complete. As from today we do update as much as possible again, ofcourse we are still the number one Maastricht website with the latest flight information. Regarding to the registrations 90% of the members don't have any problem with the new secured expected sections.*
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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby koeniedb » 26 Jul 2017, 10:08

MST-Aviation wrote:If you dont agree simply dont register. it is not an obligation. Thank you.

*PS : we all know nos & maa are far from complete. As from today we do update as much as possible again, ofcourse we are still the number one Maastricht website with the latest flight information. Regarding to the registrations 90% of the members don't have any problem with the new secured expected sections.*


Dear, with what you ask and do you are touching the borders of the law. How can you agree if you don't know the details of who and how everything is handled? I asked some simple questions that just need to be answered when asking these details from people. If you are not willing to answer these questions please let us know also.

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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby speedy » 27 Jul 2017, 10:10

Dear all,

Here you can see the expectations without any info further needed! Posted by myself ;)
http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php? ... 04#p874604

We all share the same passion and I want to share this with all of you!

Greetings,

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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby MST-Aviation » 27 Jul 2017, 13:02

speedy wrote:Dear all,

Here you can see the expectations without any info further needed! Posted by myself ;)
http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php? ... 04#p874604

We all share the same passion and I want to share this with all of you!

Greetings,


Speedy,

We all share the same passion indeed, but somehow people seemed to make abuse of the information posted in the Expected & Movements sections. We always strived to be an open platform, but sadly we had to stop this abuse and needed to take measurements.

As everyone else you are free to post your info anywhere, but you are also welcomed to share this here at MST-Aviation!
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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby MST-Aviation » 27 Jul 2017, 13:08

koeniedb wrote:
MST-Aviation wrote:If you dont agree simply dont register. it is not an obligation. Thank you.

*PS : we all know nos & maa are far from complete. As from today we do update as much as possible again, ofcourse we are still the number one Maastricht website with the latest flight information. Regarding to the registrations 90% of the members don't have any problem with the new secured expected sections.*


Dear, with what you ask and do you are touching the borders of the law. How can you agree if you don't know the details of who and how everything is handled? I asked some simple questions that just need to be answered when asking these details from people. If you are not willing to answer these questions please let us know also.


Koeniedb,

Thank you for bringing this legal matter to attention. As far as we understood we comply to the Vrijstellingsbesluit Wbp mentioned here https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/n ... esluit-wbp.
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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby Acid-drop » 27 Jul 2017, 13:33

Internet is about sharing.
And its about anonymity.
Abuse is part of it, too.
Share what you can, dont punish everyone for the 5% extra.

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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby MST-Aviation » 27 Jul 2017, 16:14

In these kind of situations it's all about treating the middle ground and we as a team try to make the best of it.

The information we ask for authorization will never be made available to anyone and is only used internally by us to check if you are a real person. We are aware of this inconvenient situation, especially for a lot of long time MST-Aviation members.

Please mind that we are a group of volunteers spending a lot of time running this website with only but the best intentions to provide an online platform for sharing aviation related information.
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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby koeniedb » 28 Jul 2017, 13:52

MST-Aviation wrote:
koeniedb wrote:
MST-Aviation wrote:If you dont agree simply dont register. it is not an obligation. Thank you.

*PS : we all know nos & maa are far from complete. As from today we do update as much as possible again, ofcourse we are still the number one Maastricht website with the latest flight information. Regarding to the registrations 90% of the members don't have any problem with the new secured expected sections.*


Dear, with what you ask and do you are touching the borders of the law. How can you agree if you don't know the details of who and how everything is handled? I asked some simple questions that just need to be answered when asking these details from people. If you are not willing to answer these questions please let us know also.


Koeniedb,

Thank you for bringing this legal matter to attention. As far as we understood we comply to the Vrijstellingsbesluit Wbp mentioned here https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/n ... esluit-wbp.


Dear, i don't agree with you.

In your rules you placed you state the following:
- you cannot use fake e-mail accounts, we will communicate with you in advance to confirm your request;
- you will need to agree and confirm that you commit not to share or reproduce any content of the secured pages in any form (WhatsApp, screenshots, Facebook or other media) to third parties. If a breach of this commitment is noted by our crew you will be removed from the secured pages immediately and measurements will be taken accordingly;
- approved users are obliged to report any misconducts if noted, so that immediate action can be taken by the crew.


You ask users to report any misconducts. This is a form of "Heimelijke waarneming" and is concerned with the regulations of the WbP. Furthermore you haven't given any information on the questions i ask.
- How do you store and secure these userdetails (encrypted file, online, etc)
- Did you give a notice to the "Autoriteit persoonsgegevens" that you are going to store data
- Who is the legal entity that stores my data (Company, person)
- How long are you going to store the data


How can you ask of people to be transparent if you don't want to be it yourself?

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Re: Access to Expected & Movements sections

Postby MST-Aviation » 28 Jul 2017, 14:37

Topic will be closed now. Questions via support@mst-aviation.nl
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